‘All the lads remember Marlene!’
Sue Holderness is a leading British actress known for a variety of acclaimed roles on television and stage, including The Sandbaggers, It Takes a Worried Man and Calendar Girls. However, to you and I, she will always be the delightful Peckham tart that is Marleeeene.
Recently I was lucky enough to catch up with Sue, to find out a little bit more about the lady behind one of the nation’s best loved comedy characters, including what it was like to star in the show and what we can look forward to seeing in the future.
Me: Sue, on behalf of the fans, thank you for allowing me to conduct this short interview with you. We’ll start off with your role in Only Fools and Horses.
Me: How exactly did that come about?
Sue: It was a surprise! It was 1984 and I was three months pregnant with my first child and not sure what work would be around for the next few months, when I got a call from my agent – “Sue darling, do you fancy the idea of a day’s filming on Only Fools and Horses, playing Boycie’s much-talked-about wife, Marlene?”. I knew the series. I’d seen a few episodes, but knew little about Marlene. What I DID know was that it seemed whenever anyone said something like “Hey do you remember Marlene?” the reply always seemed to be “all the boys remember Marlene!”. She appears to have been “the good time that was had by all!” It was irresistible. In the script John Sullivan described her simply as a “dapper little cockney woman”. I was then allowed to choose her look – big hair, sexy wardrobe, masses of make-up etc. – a right slapper in fact! So there was no audition, no meeting – I just got the job. It transpired that Ray Butt, the director/producer, had seen me in a one-woman play in London written by Brian Clemens (featuring the mass murderess Myra Hindley) and also in an off-the-wall sit-com for London Weekend Television entitled “End of Part One”, and felt confident that I could play the role. Thank you Ray Butt. A lovely man. Sadly, no longer with us.
Me: Are there any tales you can remember from behind the scenes?
Sue: Funnily enough, the truth is that that everyone has to concentrate and work just as hard on situation comedy as on any classical play or serious drama. We all strove to be sure that we could make the very best of the wonderful scripts that the brilliant John Sullivan wrote for us. Watching all those actors at work was always fascinating. Every member of the cast had theatre experience, some more than others of course, but to see David and Nicholas working together was always a bit like a master class in comedy. But also, watching Roger Lloyd Pack’s extraordinary transformation into Trigger, and my good friend John Challis bringing the appalling Boycie to lovable life, was a joy. There were japes galore, but I expect the boys have shared those tales with you. Ken MacDonald (another fine character actor who played barman Mike) was the greatest practical joker. His untimely death was a huge loss to the series.
Me: What is your favourite episode and why?
Sue: Well, like everyone else in the world I love the “chandelier” moment and the “falling through the bar”. I also find the whole “blow-up dolls” episode hysterical. But my favourite episode in which Marlene features is, I think, “From Prussia With Love”, when Del Boy very nearly provides Marlene with her longed-for baby. Boycie’s speech on realising that the baby was brown (which went something like this “I may be able to con people into buying my cars, I may be able to convince them that you conceived and gave birth in seven days flat, but how the Hell am I going to convince them that my Grandad was Louis Armstrong?!”) brought the house down in the studio. And then you immediately see the genius of John Sullivan, as Marlene and Del have a very touching and heart-breaking moment when Marlene realises that her dream of becoming a mother has been lost, and you could hear the audience sniffling and getting out their handkerchiefs. Sullivan was the master of creating these side-splittingly funny moments and then you suddenly find you’ve got the lump in your throat and tears welling. His scripts all had such heart.
Me: Why do you think the show is so very popular with all ages?
Sue: I think it’s because John Sullivan was, himself, a very loving family man. His family meant everything to him. He wanted every age-group to be able to sit together and enjoy his comedies. And it’s rather wonderful that that continues today. We occasionally get together with fans and find that there is a whole generation of young people out there still falling in love with these characters.
Me: Why do you think Marlene and Boycie are still together?
Sue: Like a lot of couples they bicker and squabble and seem to irritate each other most of the time, but there is a fundamental understanding and love that goes back decades. They would be lost without each other. Well, let’s face it – nobody else would put up with either of them!
Me: Was the character based on anybody?
Sue: No. I just knew her from the moment I read the first script. I’m afraid she is the naughty trollop that lurks within me. It was far too easy to tap into that!
Me: Do you still keep in touch with any of the actors?
Sue: I see a lot of John Challis and his wife Carol. We are great chums. I do meet many other members of the cast from time to time – at conventions and various signing engagements, but, sadly, we tend to bump into each other now most frequently at funerals.
Me: If you could be cast as a different character from the show, which would that be and why?
Sue: I couldn’t even start to imagine being anyone other than Marlene. I love her!
Me: Do you have any memorabilia from the show as keepsakes?
Sue: I do have the odd security pass and some of Marlene’s glorious leopard print wardrobe – jolly useful for meeting fans.
Me: What can we look forward to seeing in the future from you?
Sue: I am currently preparing to play Mrs Warren in George Bernard Shaw’s 1894 play, “Mrs Warren’s Profession” on a national tour. “What is her profession?” I hear you ask. Mrs Warren is a very successful prostitute. It is quite a political play. Shaw felt very passionately that prostitution was caused by underpaying, undervaluing and overworking women, forcing the poorest into prostitution to keep body and soul together. It’s very passionate, but also of course, being Shaw, there’s a lot of fun in there too. I’m greatly looking forward to it – but nervous too, of course. I find that the older I get, the greater the responsibility I seem to feel. I really want to tell the author’s story as well as it can be told. Does that sound horribly poncey? Christopher Timothy will be playing opposite me which will help greatly.
Sue: And there are two questions you didn’t ask – do I mind being reminded constantly of Marlene and do I miss her?
I LOVE being reminded of Marlene and I miss her greatly. I’d have gone on playing her into my dotage if I’d had the chance. Hope that’s all useful to you Jordan. Love Sue.
By Jordan Gale,
With thanks to Sue Holderness.
Twitter: @JordanGale94
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